Decoder with Nilay Patel
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Decoder with Nilay Patel
Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas — and other problems. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policymakers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and wh...
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The left and right agree on one thing: no data centers
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Bluesky’s new CEO wants a big tent, not a bubble
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The end of the human internet
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Tariffs didn’t bring manufacturing jobs back to the US
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What Apple’s OpenAI lawsuit is really about
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Proton’s CTO: No company is going to jail for you
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Yes, even Nvidia's head of automotive is fighting for compute
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Why did Comcast ever buy NBC?
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Inside the big business of the creator economy, with Ali Berman and Raina Penchansky
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The CMO is a dying role, says Digitas' Amy Lanzi
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He changed outdoor cooking forever — then took over Weber
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Rewind: CEO Jim Farley on Ford's EV gamble
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Can Patreon fight fire with social media fire?
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Who decides when AI is too dangerous?
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Skydio CEO argues more drones will make us safer
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Condé Nast CEO Roger Lynch on AI, the Met Gala & his secret succession plan
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Microsoft AI chief thinks superintelligence is near, but won't take your job
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Elon Musk is steamrolling Wall Street to become a trillionaire
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AI is blowing up music. How should the Grammys handle it?
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Rivian's software chief thinks you don't need CarPlay or buttons
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How Sundar Pichai is rethinking Google for the AI era
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Musk v Altman: Much ado about nothing
Musk v Altman was nominally about OpenAI's conversion to a for-profit entity, and how it went about that change. But really, the suit seems mostly to...
Exclusive: Jonah Peretti explains why he sold BuzzFeed
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How companies weaponize the terms of service against you
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Joanna Stern is not a robot, but she lived with them
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Rewind: How AI is fueling an existential crisis in education
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Dara Khosrowshahi on replacing Uber drivers — and himself — with AI
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How to win — or lose — Decoder
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That UL safety logo is a lot more complicated than it looks
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THE PEOPLE DO NOT YEARN FOR AUTOMATION
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Canva's CEO on its big pivot to AI enterprise software
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Ronan Farrow on Sam Altman's "unconstrained" relationship with the truth
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Can Puck’s CEO reinvent the news business for the influencer age?
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